评论: 转发柯克2年前发言后 大学教授因“不当言论”被解雇

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ajaychen_2024 发表评论于 2025-09-17 03:15:42
美国在搞政治迫害,搞麦卡锡主义,去中国吧
东方华夏 发表评论于 2025-09-16 05:43:50
@LLC,对,城里不坏好意的言论都来自墙内。
Baobao6518 发表评论于 2025-09-15 22:41:26
他也算是死得其所了
对角线 发表评论于 2025-09-15 21:16:00
打击国际恐怖主义从打击国内恐怖分子开始,包括恐怖分子,恐怖主义同情者,传播者和资助者
东方华夏 发表评论于 2025-09-15 20:50:19
现在禁枪,只能禁守法公民的枪,禁不了强盗的枪。强盗随便入室抢
劫。
硅谷工匠 发表评论于 2025-09-15 19:42:23
如果中国人有枪,就不会有老习和无产阶级暴政。枪就是干这个的。
老同盟II 发表评论于 2025-09-15 19:06:21
如果民主党的Gun Control 主张实行,拉斯维加斯屠杀数百人的就不会发生!
老同盟II 发表评论于 2025-09-15 19:02:32
楼下很多人没有搞清楚Gun Control,就瞎嚷嚷! ????的是certain firearms 肯定包括打死柯克的枪械! The Democratic position: More regulation to reduce gun violence
The Democratic platform generally favors stricter gun control measures, viewing gun violence as a public health crisis that requires government action.
Key Democratic proposals include:
Universal background checks: Expanding background checks to cover all gun sales, including those at gun shows and private online sales.
Bans on certain firearms: Prohibiting assault weapons and high-capacity magazines.
"Red flag" laws: Creating and expanding laws that allow temporary firearm removal from individuals deemed a danger to themselves or others.
Addressing the gun industry: Ending the gun industry's immunity from liability and holding gun owners liable for failing to practice safe storage.
Funding gun violence research: Providing federal funding for research through agencies like the CDC and NIH.
Federal versus state law: Working to enact stronger federal gun laws, though some states have already passed their own stricter measures.
The Republican position: Prioritizing gun rights and less government intervention
Republicans generally oppose new gun control measures, emphasizing the protection of Second Amendment rights for law-abiding citizens.
Key Republican positions include:
Opposition to new restrictions: Rejecting bans on assault weapons, red flag laws, and expanded background checks.
Focus on enforcement and mental health: Calling for better enforcement of existing laws and addressing the mental health aspects of gun violence, rather than restricting access to guns.
Repeal of gun laws: Advocating for the repeal of existing gun-related restrictions and attempting to defund federal agencies like the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF).
Concealed carry reciprocity: Promoting legislation that would require all states to recognize concealed carry permits from other states, effectively overriding more restrictive state laws.
Interpreting the Second Amendment: Interpreting the Second Amendment as guaranteeing a broad, individual right to own firearms for self-defense.
mvh 发表评论于 2025-09-15 16:48:35
那还得带上边境控制,而左x在禁枪的同时强烈反对边境控制。
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爬山看秋叶 发表评论于 2025-09-15 12:51:05如果加州边境像国境线一样设海关边防,枪杀案当然会大大减少。

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是的,好人的机会减少99%,坏人的机会减少1%,确实都减少了。
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Jhu11463 发表评论于 2025-09-15 12:50:03mvh 发表评论于 2025-09-15 12:39:12
如果禁止枪支,得到枪支的机会将减少,无论你是谁。
兔比兰伯王 发表评论于 2025-09-15 16:15:56
车和枪还是有很大不同

车我们都要用,他的好处超过坏处太多了,
所以没有哪个傻瓜说要禁车!
拥枪有什么用,一年会用到一次吗?
有些人估计十年都用不到一次,所以,对大多数人,枪的用处几乎为零!
如果没什么用处,又有那么多坏处,从道理上看,禁枪似乎合理!

现在支持禁枪估计有差不多一半的人数吧!
美国之外的其他国家估计大大超过50%
咱们走着瞧 发表评论于 2025-09-15 16:07:00
因言治罪,更何况这个转发并不代表什么
luting 发表评论于 2025-09-15 15:07:32
庆祝他被杀的确不对,但是看不出转发他的过去言论有啥问题。
道霖沙 发表评论于 2025-09-15 14:57:13
在刚有人被枪杀的时候转发支持拥枪的话,当然是不当言论,无论这些话是谁说的。
Buhuiba1000 发表评论于 2025-09-15 14:56:33
2025 年的美国居然出现了文字狱。 真是讽刺啊。
空城之主 发表评论于 2025-09-15 14:18:06
应该给他公开解释的机会。
交流什么 发表评论于 2025-09-15 14:15:36
这个教授和Charlie Kirk 一样,都爱在别人的伤口上撒盐,盐撒完了,不会什么都不会发生。
爬山看秋叶 发表评论于 2025-09-15 14:01:16
这个新闻让我想起了一个著名的苏联政治笑话。
一个人在莫斯科红场上高举白纸,警察要将其逮捕,前者反问“我什么都没写!”后者骂道“你以为我不知道你想写什么吗!”。

大学教授:我就转发了名人名言,什么也没有加啊。后者骂道“你以为我不知道你想写什么吗!”。
LLC 发表评论于 2025-09-15 13:57:00
看来城里的污言秽语都是来自强内的,不怕被解雇
LLC 发表评论于 2025-09-15 13:53:00
这就像你被车撞死了,就是活该,因为你支持车?这就是左媒混淆视听的理论
乱城不居 发表评论于 2025-09-15 13:52:00
本來有些同情他的。但听了幾分鐘他的辯論言論、了解了下他的所謂思想。只想說二字活該
大重马 发表评论于 2025-09-15 13:51:43
To: pop4

这个case与1987年的case情况还是有所不同。

The 1987 Supreme Court case involved Ardith McPherson, a clerical employee in a Texas constable's office, who was fired for saying she hoped President Reagan would be killed. The case, Rankin v. McPherson, centered on whether her comments were protected by the First Amendment.
Here are the key details of the case:
The remark: In 1981, following an assassination attempt on President Reagan by John Hinckley Jr., McPherson told a co-worker, "if they go for him again, I hope they get him".
Her firing: After Constable Walter Rankin learned of the comment, he fired her, stating he had lost confidence in her and citing the public-facing nature of the law enforcement office.
The lawsuit: McPherson sued, arguing that her First Amendment right to free speech had been violated. She claimed the remark was a personal expression of her political views rather than a serious threat.
Supreme Court ruling: The Supreme Court ruled 5-4 in favor of McPherson, holding that her comment was a matter of public concern and did not impede the office's function. The Court found that a statement amounting to a direct threat would not be protected, but McPherson's remark, made in a private conversation, did not rise to that level.
Significance: The decision confirmed that public employees retain free speech rights related to matters of public concern, so long as their speech does not disrupt workplace operations.

1)当时 McPherson 是私下与她男朋友说的,被人听到汇报给领导,她没有在公开场合说,所以不构成“影响工作环境” 现在在网上发帖,会影响学校的“工作环境”
2) 现在的最高法院已经与那时完全不一样!如果现在最高法院来判,她肯定是3:6 输,而不可能是5:4 赢

pop4 发表评论于 2025-09-15 11:47:58“但报道指出,在1987年的一起案件中,美国最高法院曾裁定,一名政府官员“对时任美国总统里根没有被刺客杀死感到遗憾”的言论属于受宪法保护的言论,不能成为解雇的理由。“

楼下对言论自由和雇佣解雇自由的理解被美国最高法院的判决击碎,至少在本案与1987年案如此相似的情况下。

美国最高法院选择了言论自由。
kangxiao 发表评论于 2025-09-15 13:34:36
没有用。人只能从教训学会理智。Learn the lesson in a hard way. 第一第二修正案在那里摆着,只会有更多人死掉。

衡山老道 发表评论于 2025-09-15 13:30:48美国现在两党恶斗,人民严重对立,需要更多的像Bernie 这样的智者站出来。
iloveCCP 发表评论于 2025-09-15 13:31:33
如果只是转发, 其它的什么也没说, 不该解雇; 如果加了一句“他该死”, 该不该解雇,有待商榷; 如果加了一句评论”生的伟大死的光荣“,从学校立场来说, 不仅不能解雇, 更要表扬。
事实上, 你去网上搜搜KIRK的话, 到处都有, 那些贴他话的人是不是都该解雇?
衡山老道 发表评论于 2025-09-15 13:30:48
美国现在两党恶斗,人民严重对立,需要更多的像Bernie 这样的智者站出来。

大嘴只会让本来就已分裂都社会更加分裂。美国需要一个能团结全国人民的总统,而不是某一个党的总统,更不需要一个搞个人独裁的总统。
老同盟II 发表评论于 2025-09-15 13:29:32
这样干特么太离谱,完全就是LM ,WL,EG!很多人只是从不同的角度去分析反思这悲剧是怎样发生的,这是political violence 非常显然这特么也是Gun Violence! 如果否认这一点,就如同否定城里的黄陂川粉不是人一样!美帝没有大人物公开提这也是Gun Violence!这必然得出:枪杀数以万计平民是可以容忍的,事实也是如此!许多人没有同MAGA一道纪念“伟大的”MAGA战士柯克,出发点就是柯克视生命如草芥的“代价论”!以TPUS的作为,换个nation or Administration早就出问题了!不去反思深层原因,却仗势以己真恶抑自己定义的他人之“恶”,以此攻击报复观点异己者是很恶劣、荒谬!任这种恶行蔓延下去是很危险的,对社会危害将非常严重‼️
防民之口 甚于防川! 哈哈,老朽预测美利坚无论好坏方面必将向东看!
chunping 发表评论于 2025-09-15 13:29:27
一逝成名,以前不知道这个人
tz2000 发表评论于 2025-09-15 13:29:04
我向来不同意bernie和衡山老道,但是这次Bernie讲的是对的。
这次不是左右的问题,不是观点立场的问题,而是美国民主政治的根基,人们能不能公开的无所畏惧的表达立场和观点的问题。但这个基础失去后,无论是左还是右,就只能经历血雨腥风了。
查理的组织和行为是美国政治最为开放包容的方式,如果这样的交流都不能容忍,今后就是你死我活的斗争了。
左派小卫兵们不懂这个道理,文学城的网友们理应高过这种层次啊。
chunping 发表评论于 2025-09-15 13:26:58
谁的言论不当? 这不是Kirk 的言论吗? 大学有病还是太左,太右?
衡山老道 发表评论于 2025-09-15 13:23:24
一旦民主的前提没有了,就变成了恶斗。
可笑的是,很多人根本不明白民主的本质是什么,却高喊民主自由。自己搞顺我者昌, 逆我者亡,却每天逢共必反,辱骂不同意见者。
衡山老道 发表评论于 2025-09-15 13:15:56
Bernie Sanders:
I want to say a few words regarding the terrible murder yesterday of Charlie Kirk — someone whom I strongly disagreed with on almost every issue but who was clearly a very smart and effective communicator and organizer — and someone unafraid to get out into the world and engage the public. My condolences go out to his wife and family.

A free and democratic society, which is what America is supposed to be about, depends upon the basic premise that people can speak out, organize and take part in public life without fear — without worrying that they might be killed, injured or humiliated for expressing their political views. In fact, that is the essence of what freedom is about and what democracy is about. You have a point of view, that’s great. I have a point of view that is different than yours, that’s great. Let’s argue it out. We make our case to the American people at the local, state and federal level, and we hold free elections in which the people decide what they want. That’s called freedom and democracy. And I want as many people as possible to participate in that process without fear.

Freedom and democracy is not about political violence. It is not about assassinating public officials. It is not about trying to intimidate people who speak out on an issue. Political violence, in fact, is political cowardice. It means that you cannot convince people of the correctness of your ideas, and you have to impose them through force. Every American, no matter what one’s political point of view may be, must condemn all forms of political violence and all forms of intimidation. We must welcome and respect dissenting points of view. That’s what our Constitution is about. That’s what our Bill of Rights is about. That, in fact, is what freedom is about.

The murder of Charlie Kirk is part of a disturbing rise in political violence that threatens to hollow out public life and make people afraid of participating. From the January 6, 2021, attack on the United States Capitol, to the attempted assassination of Donald Trump, to the attack on Paul Pelosi, to the attempted kidnapping of Michigan Governor Gretchen Whitmer, to the murder of Minnesota Speaker of the House Melissa Hortman and her husband, to the arson attack on Pennsylvania Governor Josh Shapiro, to the shooting of UnitedHealth executive Brian Thompson and the shooting several years ago of Rep. Steve Scalise, this chilling rise in violence has targeted public figures across the political spectrum.

Sadly, this is not a new phenomenon. We all remember the assassinations of President John F. Kennedy, Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr., Senator Robert F. Kennedy, John Lennon, Medgar Evers and the attempted assassinations of President Ronald Reagan and Alabama Governor George Wallace.

This is a difficult and contentious moment in American history. Democracy in our country and throughout the world is under attack. And there are a lot of reasons for that, which need serious discussion. But, bottom line: If we honestly believe in democracy, if we believe in freedom, all of us must be loud and clear. Political violence, regardless of ideology, is not the answer and must be condemned.
旁观者XWY 发表评论于 2025-09-15 13:12:00
楼下说的对,拥枪大多数是好人,美国有上亿人拥枪,但极少数极端分子手中有枪,如何解决?按照Kirk的说法,死几个人是值得的。有人被开除了。
ytren 发表评论于 2025-09-15 13:07:57
你有梦!在包子为你们绘制的南柯梦里!
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长剑倚天 发表评论于 2025-09-15 12:57:26哈哈,楼下之所以心碎一地,是因为美国已经无梦了吧!
只能靠自己 发表评论于 2025-09-15 13:00:25
虽然结果有很多解读,但至少和这几个假设没有矛盾:好人基本上合法拥枪;好人拥枪不会增加、相反能减少犯罪
玻璃坊 发表评论于 2025-09-15 12:57:49
您这是影射美丽国的言论自由正在向厉害国看齐吗?LOL
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LiveGood 发表评论于 2025-09-15 10:13:21 中国苏州大学一教授只是请求政府公布阅兵的花费, 就遭到解雇和逮捕。
长剑倚天 发表评论于 2025-09-15 12:57:26
哈哈,楼下之所以心碎一地,是因为美国已经无梦了吧!
ytren 发表评论于 2025-09-15 12:54:52
说别人是被暗杀是咎由自取,那你被解雇更是咎由自取!
只能靠自己 发表评论于 2025-09-15 12:54:31
早就有Case Study,比较Houston和芝加哥的控枪政策和枪击犯罪的关系,都是猪党长期执政,其它社会经济因素也类似,后者控枪,但枪击犯罪是前者的两倍。。。
爬山看秋叶 发表评论于 2025-09-15 12:51:05
如果加州边境像国境线一样设海关边防,枪杀案当然会大大减少。

mvh 发表评论于 2025-09-15 12:39:12
加州基本禁止任何人带枪出门,枪杀案少了半点么?
爬山看秋叶 发表评论于 2025-09-15 12:49:34
转发柯克2年前发言而已,他自己一句话都没加,如何成为“不当言论”?
不说话也是“不当言论”?

比TG的白纸运动还狠?
iloveCCP 发表评论于 2025-09-15 12:48:13
解雇得有点冤。 我没有查到他的帖子怎么说的。 如果仅仅是重发(转发)kirk的帖子, 没有任何理由解雇他。 也许他崇拜他, 以他为英雄, 所以以他的话作为座右铭呢? 我们从小写作文,老师都叫我们引用名人名言, 不行么? 太扯淡了。 这叫做以小人之心度君子之腹, 有点类似于我党, 你如果发帖带“民主”“自由”字样, 就把你封了, 甚至抓你, 尽管你是想表扬我党早期先烈最求民主自由的精神。
mvh 发表评论于 2025-09-15 12:39:12
楼下是个sb, 他觉得法律禁止自己用枪,坏人就不会用枪。
加州基本禁止任何人带枪出门,枪杀案少了半点么?
fubin 发表评论于 2025-09-15 12:33:44
“而查理·柯克是被人有意谋杀的,谋杀使用的凶器是抢,也可以是其他器械物品以及用其他方法。“
这是混蛋逻辑!fucking stupid shit ignorant!没听说过:人有利器杀心即起?假如那天那个杀手用大刀,Mr Kirk 能死于非命吗?
Fucking stupid shit ignorant!
Jhu11463 发表评论于 2025-09-15 12:32:23
Charlie talks more about the need not just for mass deportation of illegals, but for cuts to legal immigration to preserve America's cultural cohesion. He warns of what could happen to American cities you love if this advice isn't followed.
西岸-影 发表评论于 2025-09-15 12:30:17
建议去网上找找这个柯克的podcast或者辩论的视频,就可以知道白人至上主义是怎么表现和理直气壮的。
他的那些对待现代社会的一些观点很容易让人想起某类人,假如你对二战历史熟悉的话。
pop4 发表评论于 2025-09-15 12:17:44
千万不要以后出现如下的前苏联笑话:

一个美国人和一个苏联人谈话。

美国人说:“我敢在白宫外面大喊:打倒里根总统!你敢吗?”

苏联人:“有什么不敢的?”说完,苏联人走到克里姆林宫外大声喊:“打倒里根总统!”

美国人大笑。

苏联人:“我敢在克里姆林宫外大喊,打倒以色列!你敢吗?”

美国人:“有什么不敢的?”说完,美国人走到克里姆林宫外大声喊:“打倒以色列!”


苏联人大笑。
小钉 发表评论于 2025-09-15 12:15:11
说枪击造成的死亡是拥枪自由值得付出的代价well worth it的时候,kirk对那些校园枪击死去的孩子的同情心在哪里?你们这些MAGA就是一帮snowflake。


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小毛er 发表评论于 2025-09-15 10:37:43的确是不妥。人家刚被左派暗杀了。保守派学生还在伤心中。这教授还火上添油批评死者。这不但是缺乏同情心,而且是伤害学校里的保守派学生。被解雇了是活该。
kangxiao 发表评论于 2025-09-15 12:12:54
不要把道德和法律混为一谈。道德只对有道德底线的人有约束。同时也要做好心理准备,那些看起来不道德,不符合你的价值观的言行,实际上是受法律保护的。
Bslrim 发表评论于 2025-09-15 12:09:42
这很正常,庆祝一个人被政治暗杀是社会的倒退
太天真了 发表评论于 2025-09-15 12:02:47
edccde,你在说啥?因言获罪被关监狱的在中国少吗?
edccde 发表评论于 2025-09-15 11:58:27
很高兴看到现在把“言论自由”正确的限制到“联邦政府不会刑事起诉某言论的发言者”。就是嘛。

你看,中国政府几十年来,就没有因为什么“言论”起诉/判刑过什么人,至于丢了工作(老板没义务),没法发言(都是媒体企业凭啥要让你发言),都和言论自由无关。很自由嘛。
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